OOPS....Len gets flamed on the Harmonet

A post by Dunc:

"In a message dated 98-11-04 17:11:48 EST, you write: The Ancient Harmonious Society of Woodshedders, Inc. heartily welcomes a new member in the Southwestern District."

Why did I get this message? I'm sure the guy who qualified is worthy. I have enough trouble with Lead. But, please, puhleeze, folks, we all get plenty of E- Mail now. And, I live in Michigan and frankly my dear........
Dunc Wallace - Motor City Metro


My Harmonet reply to Dunc's Harmonet post:

On Monday,November 2, Dunc Wallace of Motor City Metro wrote:

" ...The annual show of the Broken Clutch, NC Chapter may have been a great show and the "Flat Tire Chorus" may have wowed 'em, but frankly my dear......"

And on Wednesday, November 4, Dunc wrote: "...Why did I get this message?
I'm sure the guy who qualified is worthy. I have enough trouble with Lead. But, please, puhleeze, folks, we all get plenty of E- Mail now. And, I live in Michigan and frankly my dear........"

I subscribed to the Harmonet because I wanted to find out what other barbershoppers in the world are doing, and would rather have the information than not have it. If the burden of e mail gets too onerous, I know I can always unsubscribe and subscribe to one of the other less demanding forms of the Harmonet, and Dunc, you can subscribe to PioNet listserve at: http://www.harmonize.com/Pioneer/pionet.htm for a more "local" focus.

Having said that, I too get tired of seeing a repeat announcement of a local chapter show or the verbose language of the Ahsow membership announcements, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
In Harmony,
Len Webster


My private reply to a private response from Dunc:

Yes, I agree this is a singing sociey. The two things that you referred to that prompted my post both had to do with barbershop singing. Why not attack the mind numbing millennium thread, which has nothing at all to do with singing. I would like to know who the new members of Ahsow are (Though you are right that they should save up a few and publish them in one post), chances are I might know one of them. I want to know what a chapter in Broken Clutch NC (Sounds more like a Michigan town):-) is doing to put on a successful show because I am the president of a small chapter and we can always use new ideas. Ironically I received this e mail shortly after my response to you yesterday:

"Jeez, you were doing very well until that last paragraph. Every item you discussed is BBS related. I get tired of all the unrelated crap, myself."

...I do not want the Harmonet to be just another Harmonizer magazine because I enjoy the spontaneity of the Harmonet.

Thank you for replying privately to my post. I am also replying privately.
In Harmony,
Len Webster


The Harmonet flame by Toban of Ahsow (rather verbose):

The Ancient Harmonious Society of Woodshedders, Inc. is thrilled to announce the addition of two new public-relations volunteers, one from the Pioneer District and one from the Southwestern District:

NAME CHAPTER DISTRICT
Dunc Wallace Motor City Metro, Mich. PIO
Len Webster Lubbock, Texas SWD

It was a great pleasure to read what Dunc wrote on November 4:

From:   Dunc Wallace Subject: Re: Welcome to New AHSOW Member in SWD! << The Ancient Harmonious Society of Woodshedders, Inc. heartily welcomes a new member in the Southwestern District. >> Why did I get this message? I'm sure the guy who qualified is worthy. I have enough trouble with Lead. But, please, puhleeze, folks, we all get plenty of E-Mail now. And, I live in Michigan and frankly my dear........      Dunc Wallace - Motor City Metro

As if this weren't exciting enough -- on November 5, Len Webster

wrote, in part: ...I too get tired of seeing... the verbose language of the Ahsow membership announcements...

We've read on the Harmonet how difficult it can be to identify enthusiastic volunteers who will apply themselves to important areas of Barbershopping. Therefore, on behalf of AHSOW, it is my pleasure to accept the generous offers of public-relations assistance from these motivated gentlemen and to appoint them to a special Task Force in their area of interest.

I'm pleased to ask Dunc and Len to collaborate on the creation of one or more public-relations announcements that will positively promote AHSOW and its participants. Here is some background information which may prove helpful to you gentlemen:
a. SPEBSQSA began as a pure woodshedding organization. In fact,   the use of written arrangements in Society contests was illegal   for many years.
b. Just as SPEBSQSA was begun as an organization to recapture earlier days   of unaccompanied four-part harmonizing, AHSOW was begun within SPEBSQSA   to recapture earlier days of harmonizing to a Lead's melody without   referring to written arrangements.
c. AHSOW is the Society's largest "affiliated subordinate," with nearly   1,400 members worldwide. AHSOW has grown to its current size from   approximately 1,100 members as of mid-1995. As far as renewals,   AHSOW members renew at rates of 86%-91% each year.
d. Society luminaries who have joined AHSOW include Society President Ed   Waesche, Executive Director Darryl Flinn, all the other top officers on   the Society Board, many department heads at Society headquarters, many   certified judges, many International quartet/chorus competitors, a   number of men who have sung in championship quartets, and a massive   number of "regular" Barbershoppers just like you and me. AHSOW members   include teenagers, nonagenarians, and every age group in between.
e. Ineligible applicants continuously clamor to join AHSOW. Members of   the Sweet Adelines regularly express their wish that SAI had an   organization of its own that would be comparable to AHSOW.
f. AHSOW is elite, but inclusive. Barbershoppers who initially fail to   qualify for AHSOW receive suggestions for improvement, plus   encouragement to practice their ear-singing and to audition again later.   This fulfills the "E" along with the "P" and "BSQ" in "SPEBSQSA."
g. There are many excellent reasons why a regular program of authentic   woodshedding is good for Barbershop chapters and individual   Barbershoppers. These will be revisited in a subsequent post. Regarding specific membership announcements, please remember to be courteous to the Harmonet and the two or three dozen new readers who subscribe every month. First-time readers deserve enough information to gain a complete picture of what has happened, and its significance. Pleasant details, when known, will add flavor to the announcement.

The above information should provide you gentlemen a fair amount of fodder as you begin your collaborative project. If I have failed to provide you all that you might need to know before you begin, let me refer Dunc to former PIO President/Society Board member Russ Seely (currently an AHSOW director), and Len to brand-new AHSOW member "Rus" Moore of the Lubbock chapter, as a start.

I sincerely thank you gentlemen again for volunteering your energies and talents as you have. Your chapters are fortunate to have such motivated members. I look forward to seeing the results of your work on either of my e-mail accounts by Friday, November 13 at latest!
ANCIENT HARMONIOUS SOCIETY OF WOODSHEDDERS, INC.
Toban Dvoretzky, Pres.    


My private response to Toban:

Toban,
Thank you very much for your nomination. If you will go to our Singing Plainsmen web site listed below, you will see I have already started in my new position. Note the eighth item entitled "Russ enters Ahsow" and click on it. FYI, it even has the Ahsow logo and your e mail address.

I will be sure to include your response to the Harmonet to my post in it's entirety. on our web site, just to put it in context. Here is a private response from me to a private e mail that Dunc sent me:(see response above)

Now, Toban, I don't know you and and you may be a real cool fellow, but I really don't think the very mild criticism I had toward Ahsow announcements that was included in my rebuke of Dunc justifies my being put in the same catagory as him.
In Harmony,
Len Webster


Toban's private response to me (by permission)

Wed, Dec 16, 1998, 1:07pm To: lenwebster@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: Ahsow

Date:    Fri, Nov 6, 1998, 2:18pm
From:    TBone@Jetson.UH.EDU (Toban Dvoretzky)
Subject:    Re: Ahsow To:    basstwo@webtv.net (basstwo)

Hi, Len!
Now, Toban, I don't know you and and you may be a real cool fellow, but I really don't think the very mild criticism I had toward Ahsow announcements that was included in my rebuke of Dunc justifies my being put in the same catagory as him. You are absolutely right, Len, and I had already prepared a private apology for when you wrote me, as you just did. It is:

Hi, Len --
      You've read my recent post to the Harmonet, and I want to apologize to you for two things. The first is for quoting you selectively and in incomplete context. You did stick up for tolerance toward various types of public announcements and those of AHSOW in particular, and I picked parts of your comments in order to bolster the point that I felt I had to make in support of the organization that I head.

      The second apology is for generally lumping you in with Dunc Wallace, whose comments were way off base, whereas yours were not. I knew in advance that your statements were not on a par with his, and I want to apologize for engineering two peas into a one-pea pod.

...That's what I had already written in anticipation of direct contact from you. The apologies are sincere, as only Barbershoppers can be toward one another, and I ask your understanding and forgiveness. If nothing else, my approach may have served to nip in the bud some of the rancorous messages (Jeremy Reynolds vs. Christy Perkins, e.g.) that were starting to pop up publicly. Three other Harmonetters have sent me private commendatory messages on what I posted. I've responded to each one and have been sure to add that "I was much too tough on Len Webster." The Singing Plainsmen's website has come up blank for me, but let me say that I respect the Lubbock chapter as one of the finest in SWD. Steve Shannon, recent SWD DMD, has spoken highly of you guys, and that's quite an endorsement. I look forward to meeting you in person sometime soon, and of hearing of the successes of the Lubbock chapter and the Singing Plainsmen. I'll keep your site bookmarked so I can check in regularly.

In harmony,
Toban D.



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